a patient story
a patient story
Sustainable weight loss (when all else fails)
All feedback and questions welcome
Eat less and exercise more sounds like an obvious weight loss plan. For many it just doesn't work. There are so many other considerations to account for such as body type, individual microbiome, reactive foods and stress hormones. Kira Sutherland together with her client Tash discuss what did make a big difference in sustainable weight loss.
Today we have the very well known Kira Sutherland, who's one of the most gorgeous and successful practitioners in Australia. And her client, Tash. Hello to both of you. Hello, hey, weight loss is a big issue for a lot of Australians. We know that from 1995 to 2018 in one particular study, men had gained an average of around about 6%, taking their weight from around 82 kilos to 87 kilos. And women on average 8% increase taking their average weight from 67 to 72 kilos, leaving around about two thirds of the Australian population either recognized as obese or overweight, for those people that do want to lose a few kilos, they can struggle. And the struggle is is quite real. I know that you can go to some professionals who will just say eat less and exercise more. But for a lot of people, that just doesn't work. It doesn't. It doesn't for a lot of reasons. And they can be as we're learning through scientific literature, it can be associated to a person's microbiome, or the little bugs that live in your gut. It can be associated to the food types, the type of food that you're eating, may not particularly suit you as an individual. And there are also drugs out there, like the oral contraceptive pill as one example, which will encourage weight gain. So it doesn't matter how much you eat less, or how much you exercise. It's not going to help as much as you hope it would. Kira, does that sound right to you?
Kira Sutherland:That's about right to me. Yeah. Such a hard such a hard topic.
Daniel Baden:Yeah. Is there anything that you think I missed in that little list of things that can affect people's weight, ability to lose weight?
Kira Sutherland:I think hormones would be my next one to add, no matter your sex, no matter your gender hormones get in the way, whether they be sex hormones, or stress hormones, our body really struggles.
Daniel Baden:Oh, yeah. Look, I know that when people sometimes stop working or take a break from work or long holiday, they can lose weight. So I guess that is adding to the story there that the stress hormones, through cortisol will have some sort of significant impact on weight gain.
Kira Sutherland:Yeah, absolutely. As well as body type. I really look. And Tasha and I did this, eventually, we really looked at what was her actual body type, and which, you know, how different body types do better with certain styles of eating or certain timing of eating, and we put that into play. I'm halfway through your journey, right? We didn't kind of start off with that. But I alluded to it from memory. You know, remember?
Tash:I kind of started that way. Because when I came to you, I was I've tried so many things you were like, Yeah, so I hit you with the hard stuff was like, Give me everything you
Kira Sutherland:Yeah, I mean, we did. We talked about any got? type, but I didn't really I think once we hit a plateau, I went into another level of body type and what I thought we needed to do, but yeah, we definitely stepped into different things. But yes, I reread my original notes. Keep it easy in the first go.
Daniel Baden:I'd like to get back onto body type sometime this evening. Because it's that's really interesting. Tash tell us about you. I know you're 38, I'm sorry. Should I not give that away?
Kira Sutherland:You look like you're 22
Daniel Baden:I know that you've had a really long struggle with trying to lose weight. Since you were quite a young girl. What was the story?
Unknown:Oh wow. Um, I mean, I've always been a bigger kid. I
Tash:When you were like five or six years old, you identify to was you know, growing up, we spoke about you know, God love my mom and dad. They did everything they put us into every sport. We were very healthy family. But um, you know, even I mentioned you know, even at five my mom was like, Okay, we took me a full cream milk and put me on like white milk and, and just tried all the tricks I was on. You know, we did Weight Watchers, we did light and easy. I took you know, everything that said diet on it. You know, back in the day, this is the 90s everything was in the diet brand. And we did everything that we thought was the right thing. And I tried everything. And up until I met here I was I tried every which way to lose weight. And I could lose weight. I struggled but it would come off i And then it would all come back on. I've always been a trainer, I've always played a lot of sport. And I just struggled with my weight all ways. I'm also very hard on myself. So you know, I wasn't that person to be like, Oh, well, that's just my body type. That's who I am. I just, I wouldn't I wouldn't settle for that I always wanted to be the healthiest version of myself, I could be yourself that you felt you're overweight, or carrying too much weight. Is that something that you came to yourself? Or was there pressure from people around you? Not so much? I think just being so health conscious. And my parents were also very health conscious, we were always so you know, that was kind of the trends wasn't so much that at five years old, I was like, I felt like a fat kid. And when I looked at myself, I really wasn't, but it was just trying to be the health, you know, that healthy kind of, and you know, I was a little bit bigger than the rest of the five year olds that you stand next to so I'd say, you know, more of a comparison and looking at me compared to everybody else I was, you know, bigger. So what can we do to help her but I was I was very bullied. In Ear six, I was moved out, I was called a fat cow. And when I look back at photos of me and your six, I'm like, there was nothing wrong with me. There was nothing wrong with me. But I went through that was horrible current 1011 year old little girl. And so again, that you know that that's in your mind, and you go through that. So you deal with it the way that that you think is is the right way to go. And then my mom and dad supported me in the best way they they knew how and what the trends and what what it was, you know what it was in the 90s. Early in early 90s, mid 90s, you know, and I did I think I went on Weight Watchers in the six to and not because of that, just because, you know, I was always trying to do better and be as healthy as I could and, and that was just kind of our answers, really. But yeah, I did. I went through through a lot.
Daniel Baden:And how was your overall health?
Unknown:Well I was always very healthy, my immune system, I was a sicker kid. I think, you know, I was I had glandular fever. In year three? I think I was like, nine yeah, young. And then I had I caught hepatitis Hepatitis A. We always went to Foster for Christmas holidays, and it was in the water in the seafood up there. So of course every person that went there never got it, but I did. So I was that was in the seventh 1997. But I found my health generally my immune system since I started my job as a childcare teacher. I don't get anything anymore. It may also help them eating really well when I you know, I take care of myself. But nowadays, I barely get sick touch wood. But yeah, I was yeah, my immune system was not as was kind of big catch everything that was going around. But
Daniel Baden:so I'm guessing that until you went to see Kira, you'd gone through it a few different diets or programs or processes. You mentioned Weight Watchers when you were younger. What other things did you try?
Unknown:I had done a lot. I did the shakes. The silly ones you buy in Priceline. God, I've never been sicker I when I was on those. My God had tonsillitis every two weeks. It was bad. Never again. But you know, you see them you're like, Okay, I'll try that. And yeah, like, don't get me wrong, I lost weight on them. But it's just not the right way to go. I also saw a which worked for me, and they were really, really supportive. And that's how I found Kira. But friends of mine are in a supplement store at West Ryde. And they she has Mel had done Kira's course. So she put me on, you know, put me on the diet gave me you know, recipes and all sorts of things. And they put me on a training program as well. And, look, I lost about 17 kilos with them. And it was great. And they were so helpful. But it was kind of like all their tricks also weren't working eventually. And things just stopped. You know, I stopped losing marks coming back on and I was still trying and training really hard and eating properly and just what everything that she had learned wasn't enough. So then they referred me to Kira. Because they're like, You need a bit more go to the go to the best we know so they referred me to Kira
Daniel Baden:Yeah, great. And before you got to Kira, did you also try any medical drugs or pharmaceutical agents or go to any doctors for any of this?
Unknown:No, I was very anxious to ever go to a doctor. I didn't like their judgment. They they were, I've had an experience with a doctor once that, you know, I went in for my tonsillitis or whatever I had. And straightaway just asked me, How much do you weigh? And I said, Well, I'm not here to discuss my weight. I'm here to discuss, you know, I'm feeling sick. And he just just generally looked to me and said, you know, probably lose a little bit of weight. And I was like, really taken aback and as a really anxious person, I do suffer with anxiety. I, I'm still to this day, I still get anxious just to go to the doctor, because I feel like they just looked at me and judged me on my, what I looked for, and ashamed that I was an unhealthy person. So I still really, really struggle going to a doctor. So I would never have gone to them to discuss my weight ever. I still I still don't like going. Oh, no, I don't have to. But ya know, so No, I never went on anything, given some other doctors.
Daniel Baden:And had you been to a naturopath before you went to Kira? No. Okay. So how was your first naturopathic experience?
Tash:I love her.
Daniel Baden:Don't be shy, just say it like it is,
Unknown:It became a mutual admiration club, we had a lot of fun. She is my hero. She did things for me that no one could. And just the answers that I got from her and everything works, even though you know, I'm not always perfect. I'm sorry to hear. That, you know, I start to feel like Oh, I'm not feeling that good. Or, you know, putting on a bit of weight, or I go straight back to everything here a taught me. And I feel better. And I said this to her when we started. And I've never gone off dairy. She was the first one to kind of say go off dairy and gluten. And I was like, Okay, I still kind of thought, all right, whatever. But I'll do whatever you say I was 110% in. In a day, I felt flatter. And I said that to you when I came back and saw you in a day. I know. Obviously I wasn't. But I felt it. And that was you know, something that I had never tried before. And I'm just like, wow, I didn't really believe that. It would make you feel that good that quickly. I was like, This is unbelievable.
Daniel Baden:Where do you feel that you hold most of your weight? Or did you hold most of your weight? Oh, no,
Tash:I think that generally generally, okay. I'm
Kira Sutherland:just even, it's an even thing
Daniel Baden:Kira when when a TASH or another lovely lady walks in. They want to reduce their weight. What's the what's your thinking process? What what goes through your mind first?
Unknown:Oh, it's really about, I guess for me, it's really about where they're coming from what like, what's the journey they've already been on? So that I know I'm not just going down that line and repeating what they've already experienced. Because obviously they're seeking me out for other reasons. And sometimes that's a little bit tricky because they don't so many other things. I start thinking, chit chit chit, what am I but I guess each person I mean, this is gonna sound so naturopathic, but I'm looking at each person individually, right? I don't have I have an idea. I have my kind of basics around what I want to do with weight loss with people, but it's become so different with each person, that you have to have that big individual look at why maybe they're holding the weight they are or what's going on what medications what what training they're doing. So it's an individual thing. And I remember your brother come with you to the first Yeah, I had treated her brother already. And he was like, Yeah, I'm gonna come with her for a little bit, which was gorgeous to know, in some ways. And yeah, she was nervous. Well, he you are nervous, my brother. And she would drive an hour and a half to see me.
Tash:I would drive six hours and a half my brother was very supportive. He Yeah, he I had a big meltdown at home. And I just, I was so at my wit's end on what to do. And I'd actually seen my reflection in a video that someone had taken in the gym and I was like, is that what I look like? Like, I've trained so hard, and I work so hard to to, to look, I don't even look but just, you know, feel better. And then you see your reflection and I'm like, I should be looking better than that. I should. I shouldn't be so mortified in what I'm saying. Yeah, with the effort that I'm putting in I think I said to use it set it to you if I walked around and eaten takeaway and and really, you know, not taking care of myself. You'd be like, well, you can Oh, yeah, deserve to look like that.
Kira Sutherland:No, you said, you said I want the body that I deserve for the input that I already given. I read I reread that. You actually said that?
Unknown:Yeah well I feel that because I do want the body that I deserved that I put a lot of work in. And I worked really hard on myself and do all the right things. And I feel like I deserved more than what okay was showing.
Daniel Baden:We mentioned earlier in this conversation, there are other factors which may influence someone's ability to reduce weight if they want to. Kira, one of the things you mentioned earlier was body types. Can you just talk us through a little bit maybe what you mean by body types and how you address that differently?
Kira Sutherland:I've done well, when I studied naturopathy, I did do about a year of Ayurvedic study as well which kind of body types people, if you're a practitioner listening, you know, the vata, pitta, kapha. And we have these three, they're not body types, they're doshas, but and we're a combination of them. But, but then I went on and did further study looking at kind of phenotype. So looking at at genotypes plus epi genetics, and what what do you end up with, and I've done training with, I've done training with a group called ph360. And they break everybody down into six body types. And so there's just not that I put everybody into their program, but there's just this background kind of ticking over of what is the body type I have to work with? What what hormones? Are they more sensitive to what when under stress, what does their body do? And it just gives me that more individual lens to look at people and also to get be realistic with, you know, my treatment or with a client over? What does your body type look like when it's really healthy because an attache never had an unrealistic opinion about what she was trying to look like, but it still just gives you a better basis of of knowing. And in the training I did they have different ideas around especially looking at circadian rhythms for different body types and what type of exercise works better for them and what time of day to do eating and so I just I employed some of those techniques, which I think really Yeah, takes it to that next level. Yeah, this
Tash:like circadian rhythm thing blew my mind when Kira did that for me, okay,
Daniel Baden:so Kira could you just explain what a circadian rhythm is?
Kira Sutherland:So we're talking about like sleep wake cycles, so you know what time of jet so depending on body types, some people are gonna be more morning people, some not morning people, they're night owls, it goes deeper than that. But in the system that I had studied, it goes a lot into body types and how they do like, TASH would do better, waking up a little bit later, being really calm in the morning. That doesn't always work for the full time. You know, doing they're harder to exercise in the afternoon or towards the evening. And then I was like, Oh, you can stay up until you know, your bedtime. Your optimum bedtime is later than what some people say. And I remember her being like, oh my god, I would love to go to bed at that time. But I you know, I feel guilty staying up that late. And so we literally walked out her schedule by a couple hours and not eating right away when you wake up and waiting a little bit and no snacking, which is no fun for anybody but not so good for her body type. So,I still dont snack. . yeah less snacks And because you don't just have a sleep wake cycle, your digestive system has a circadian rhythm has its own rhythm or and and so we just kind of patterned her life towards that because it leads to less hypothetically it leads to less inflammation, it leads to less cortisol production, if she's working with her body's rhythm rather than against it. And I find if I can get everybody's cortisol down, the weight comes off a lot faster, because cortisol just puts the brakes on everything.
Daniel Baden:Yeah, and I was I was interested, TASH made a comment earlier that she said within the first day, she felt flatter. I've actually experienced that with patients myself, but I actually think when you take people off foods that they're sensitive to Yeah, it's basically a reduction in fluid retention. Yeah, because the wrong foods increase inflammation traps fluid. And if you're not having those foods, you don't get that level. Do you agree with that Kira?
Kira Sutherland:Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I don't even always do like we actually did we even do food testing. We didn't we just kind of went under some assumptions. Yeah. I put tabs. So Tasha actually showed up with a two week food diary when she booked it and I said, please keep a food and training diary, I would say 10% of my clients actually front up with it the first time. She it was actually one of the best food diary keepers I've ever met in my life.
Tash:No imperfections.
Daniel Baden:Did you put a little gold star, in her book?
Kira Sutherland:Absolutely. There's research that if you do nothing else, except write down what you eat that you actually lose weight. Not that I tell my clients that but it's not really what I'm doing. It's just their own doing. But she showed up with a food diary. And so we had a good look at it right at the beginning and, and one of my first things with weight loss is an anti inflammatory diet. And it's mean, and it's a little bit naturopathic, but I basically pull out all gluten and all dairy for about four to six weeks. And I remember having to like bargain about it. But I just am like, look, we might be able to bring it back in. But just let's stop this first and see what we see what happens and I usually dangle the carrot that you'll probably be two to three kilos lighter just by that change. And yes, some of it is fluid, but you did you felt better. Immediately. Felt better. Better enough. That's great language. Kara. You felt good enough that it wasn't hard to stay off it.
Tash:It's been three years and I'm still pretty much off it. Yeah. But not in my regular normal day to day. I don't need it at all.
Kira Sutherland:Yeah, okay. Yeah.
Daniel Baden:So um, Tash Did you feel that your when you started the diet, there were any changes to your sleep habits?
Tash:With Kira putting my circadian rhythm in it was so different. I just thought if I don't go to bed before, nine 930 I'm going to be a mess the next day. And then my bedtime ended up being 11 o'clock at night. I was like there's there's no way. And I couldn't believe that I pushed myself to stay awake to the limit and do it properly. And it's still years, years later since we started this. And I cannot close my eyes until 11. And like 11 o'clock bang I'm out and I am wide awake. Ready to go. And squat? Yeah. Morning.
Daniel Baden:How do you wake up in the morning? Yeah, what? Awake?
Tash:Let's go. Yep. Okay,
Daniel Baden:is that different to how you felt before?
Tash:If? Well, I feel like if I wasn't asleep properly at nine. And then I would be like, I'm exhausted. Because I feel like I didn't get enough sleep. But as Kira told me, sometimes we don't need that much sleep and it's making you feel more tired. But no, in general, I wasn't a tired person. I wasn't really a day nap. I'm still not, you know, that difference in me being able to stay awake and not be tired in the next day and train and work.
Kira Sutherland:She's in charge of a childcare centre
Daniel Baden:that just stresses me out immediately.
Tash:No, I'm just a preschool in the preschool teacher 30 Just 33 today. Yeah. So yeah, just to even before my job and for 10 hours, you know, and then I leave work and go training and I can still come home and do everything I need to and then I'm asleep at 11 and backup at six and doing it all over again. Not feeling
Daniel Baden:Tash you've been training, you've been training and exercising your whole life. When you adapted to Kira's suggested dietary changes. Did you feel that there was any change to your ability to change and power strength speed anything like that?
Kira Sutherland:Really, I mean, I asked trainer like they're doing the heavy weights, right? Right. I love like a cardio addict that I had to beg to do weights. He was already doing the exercise that suits her body type.
Tash:Yes. Yeah, I mean, I've changed my training a little bit since and a friend of mine she got me on the training and I still do two days a week cardio and I hate it but I still get to do my strength training so I remember you care and we're like, but walking is so great but you know go for like a two hour walk walking on the beach and like two hours.
Kira Sutherland:Yeah, I don't normally suggest that. We were just doing like, go out for a hike with somebody and it's not like I was trying to
Tash:get you on a treadmill for two hours do different things. But yeah, look, I'm still not the best lover of cardio at all. Okay, and as my trainer now she is Oops, yeah,
Kira Sutherland:we did, we changed when she was eating to fit sports nutrition principles. That was that's one of the big things I do in weight loss is timing people's especially carb intake, right after training and the safer times where your body's going to actually deal with the carbohydrates more easily and more efficiently. And so we changed around, you know, we changed circadian rhythms, but we actually changed the timing of when she was eating foods. And that's actually where I think I get better results and some other people is using sports nutrition principles,
Daniel Baden:because sports Nutrition has been a big thing for a lot of your career, hasn't it?
Kira Sutherland:Yeah, it is my career. Really, it's, you know, almost weight loss is by accident. Well, it's not because 80% of the population wants weight loss. And, and let's be honest, if I am talking about myself and my family history, I come from a family of very overweight people. I started reading nutrition books at the age of 10. Thinking, I've got a man myself with this information. So I don't you know, I watched my mum Yo yo, by 2530 kilos off and on all the time. So I'm telling her story there. But my mom could teach Weight Watchers, but it was a whole side of my family has weight issues. So I was lucky enough that I was always involved in sport, I did a lot of sport. But then studying sports nutrition was just the game changer for working with weight loss differently. And I don't understand why it's not talked about more those principles because you get people coming in. And they're super healthy eaters, but they're doing it at the wrong timing for their body. And it's putting the brakes on
Daniel Baden:Tash did the changes you made making a difference to your general anxiety?
Tash:To be honest, now I'm still very anxious person. Okay. Yeah, I'm, you know, I'm on my medication and something we here and I talked about, but I was just like, physically why I went on them is I was suffering a lot of stomach aches and things like that. And it was affecting me physically, which is why I went on my medication because my quality of life was just not. It was horrible. Going through that. So I think everything put together. I am much better, but I'm still Yeah, I still have to manage it. Yeah, I am still medicated and doing everything I need to for that. Yeah.
Kira Sutherland:Medication made such a difference for you. Right. That was a huge Yeah, that was huge. But we you and it's
Tash:a very small like, I'm on a very low dose.
Kira Sutherland:I think you've dropped the dose while we were working.
Tash:No. Stayed on the same. Yeah. But it was so small that and just the results I had from it. I was just like, it's great. But you did take me off the pill. So
Kira Sutherland:I was just gonna wonder if you were gonna say that. Yes. The conversation about the pill putting the brakes on the weight loss, right, and potentially making the anxiety worse for some people. So you? Yeah, again, legally, I can't take anybody off anything. But you went and had that conversation with whoever prescribed the pill or chose to do it yourself. But we went off the pill quite quickly. And and I think that was a big benefit, right? Because you do it is hard. Weight loss, sadly, is harder while people are on the pill.
Daniel Baden:What do you think the mechanism is the kira.
Kira Sutherland:Look, what is the mechanism? I think we're not having actually know, you know, does the pill make people slightly more insulin resistant? Do you know the mechanism? Well, I
Daniel Baden:actually think it's extremely complicated. It's known that the pill, the oral contraceptive pill will change genetic expression in a number of different immune cells, adhesion molecules, tumor necrosis factor. But one of the things that has a propensity to do is increase the levels of PCOS, polycystic ovarian syndrome. And that will increase insulin resistance. And it's also interesting to note that in women that are in low that are low in vitamin D, they also have higher levels of insulin resistance when taking the pill. pill has also been shown to increase C reactive protein, which is a marker of inflammation. And as we've discussed through this talk, and other talks that we've done, inflammation seems to affect many factors including weight management.
Kira Sutherland:Also, you don't get it again, I don't have any research on this, but you don't get that beautiful fluctuation of the female cycle. And I do a lot we did go into cyclical eating. Don't forget about that. All right, work with clients beyond what we did in the first little while. Wow, when people are having a natural cycle, they're not on the pill, you get that beautiful lower hormone period then you get you know that gorgeous ovulation where they feel stronger. And then you know, okay, luteal phase isn't so much fun but with a higher hormone, but we we looked, I do a lot of cyclical dieting with my clients these days as well. And so I do two weeks more strict actually, that works really well with you. We did two weeks more strict during the follicular phase. So the first half of our cycle, that's where we like went hardcore weight loss be really, really good. train really hard because your body actually accesses your glycogen, your stored carbohydrates better in the first half of the cycle, hypothetically. So you can train harder, you don't crave as much food because your progesterone is not as high. And then we eased off of hardcore weight loss in the second half of the cycle when you do have more cravings. And we actually had really good result. And that's one of the reasons I think you stuck with it for so long, besides the fact that you are getting results is it wasn't like I had you on a 1200 calorie restricted diet the whole time. Right? We notch Yeah, on and off to, hypothetically not allow all that hypothalmic thyroid, slow down with continual calorie restrict
Daniel Baden:How did you go the cyclical eating tash?
Tash:Kyra mapped it all out for me? And yes, I just followed exactly what she said. But yeah, I'd been on the pill. Oh, my God, since I was like, 15-16. Sorry. Yeah. And I just, I stopped and it was, it was fine. And then just, I think you took me off more to for that. So that hormone and following it was much, much easier for us to map it out. Then when you're on the pill and you don't get that?
Kira Sutherland:Yeah. You know, we wanted to see how you mood wise how would you know some people mood is much worse on the pedal. So and there was just no way to know because it had been so many years that you were on it was also well, let's see what you feel like off it.
Daniel Baden:Tash I know that you had a really impressive outcome, you lost about 30 kilos. And over what period was that?
Tash:Oh, hopefully, a year and a half
Kira Sutherland:year and a half. I think it was about a year and a half. That's a lot. She'd send me gorgeous photos. On this, like when we were we started working together after the first lockdown. So she's made it to me. You were the very first client I let come face to face after the first lockdown. And then we were working together when we all went back into lockdown. So I would get random texts with just her toes. And the number on the scale. beautiful.
Tash:we care about the scales very much.
Kira Sutherland:No, we don't. But it was still it was which is what I would check. It was
Tash:but I also enjoyed that Kira wasn't scale focused. And I've grown up being so scale focused, and I still yell at my mother who wants to get on them every week. I'm like, Don't should do it. But she doesn't seem to me that anyway. Sorry. And I think I hated the scale so much that Kira taught me so much more about measurement measurements and that, you know, not worrying week to week and more, we would go a month, and then and then weigh in or not worry about it so much. But let's look at your measurements because the scales for me just sometimes don't move, but then you would measure yourself and your measurements would be down so much. So
Kira Sutherland:Tash, what come in the same pair of jeans every time remember those jeans and
Tash:I still have them. She'll come in
Kira Sutherland:the jeans and they would just get bigger and bigger and bigger was actually the jeans were bigger, more important than the scale. I put you on the scale. You didn't look I think I was like I put you on unmute. But I just needed to see, you know, scales aren't fun for anybody. But there's a point where I need a starting point if they're willing to get on so sometimes I look and I write it down without telling them
Daniel Baden:what happens now do you just keep going the way you've been going? Do you check in with Kira every now and again? All the
Tash:time? Yeah, yes. Not even I mean more socially than anything. I do. I will tell her yes I'm I call it you know I'm back on the Kira the minute that out yeah, I'm gonna get serious and I'm like, right. You haven't been that
Kira Sutherland:guilty texts now. But you're like Oh, just kind of had a wild month. Yeah. Seeing you clinically in a year, oh, we probably talk at least once a month by text. Yeah to check in. Yeah. And I love seeing what she's up to on socials and her little you started like modeling for somebody, you were doing lots of clothing modeling. It was so fun,
Tash:that I didn't do that there was something something very out of my comfort zone. But yes, I did a little bit of it.
Daniel Baden:You know, what I love about this story more than anything, personally, is that you and Kira have worked together to actually create a, a life plan of eating and exercise and not, you know, because so many people go on these boom and bust sort of diets, you know, the latest diet that comes through. And yeah, I think naturopathicly speaking, it's really about just the rest of your life, this is how you eat but you've got to the client, or the patient has to love that diet. And and just say, Yeah, this is now me. And that's to me the the important outcome. So congratulations on that, because you know, you're set up.
Kira Sutherland:Ah, Daniel, I mean, Daniel, is that when you call and you're like, Okay, think about a client and I was like, so much, calling Tash. The first person that I thought of, but it is it's like, I mean, weight loss or any naturopathic treatment. It's, I always say, because I lecture at uni. I will say, you know, your client needs to not need you eventually, they're supposed to go away if I don't teach them what to do for themselves. I've failed my job, in my opinion. And again, I'm not working with fertility and stuff like that. So you took it on and you felt you felt so much better. It got pretty easy in the I mean, it's never easy, but ya know, when you were ready, right person right time.
Tash:Absolutely. And then I didn't do anything. Halfway. So I came to you ready to give you 110%? And yeah, you're
Kira Sutherland:very committed. I'm really no alcohol. How long do we need to do no alcohol for let's also bring Matt in. Yeah,
Tash:yeah. Listen, I'm not. Actually no,
Kira Sutherland:you weren't a big drinker. But I'm saying I also am really strict on alcohol. Daniel, and I do. I didn't bring that up. Like I have hard rules. I'm because I've worked with people and they're so good with the diet and but if they drink too much, just slows it. It goes five times slower.
Daniel Baden:Well theres alot of calories in alcohol. Not that we're calorie counting. But it's does change on your blood sugars. Yeah.
Kira Sutherland:And then you eat like shit when you? Yeah, yeah,
Tash:right. wasn't a big drinker. I know you were to
Daniel Baden:push. I'm so grateful that you were so open and honest and brave to come on. And, you know, this is a guide to other people that are just looking to find a way to help themselves. So thank you. My pleasure.
Tash:Thanks for having me.
Daniel Baden:People read more, or how did they get in touch with you?
Kira Sutherland:Sure. So I'm probably the easiest where everybody is on socials. I'm at, at Uber health you b e r h e al th and if that has been let's be clear, that's been my business name long before Uber it didn't become the cool man. Cool name what a great idea. I'm like, No, it was my idea 25 years ago. So I'm at Uber health. But yeah, my websites just my name kira.sutherland.com.au.
Daniel Baden:Fantastic. Okay, well Kira. Also very grateful for your time. people won't know this, but it is way past dinner time so look, thank you both so much.